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		<title>By: Sanjuro</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-631</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me first say that I appreciate the benefits that CGE has negotiated over the years.  As a first year, I can see from the history of the negotiations that being a grad student here would have been a very different financial experience without CGE involvement.  I am quite happy to consider my first couple of years' fairshare payments as compensation for for the free ride that students got on past CGE services (that benefit me today).  Also, organizations take money to run and CGE should be supported through OSU student funding, not by sponging off the national organization.

That being said, I, like others, am a little bit frustrated with how fairshare is being implemented.  This really revolves around two issues:

1.  Transparency of the budget.  In response to Noah's post, you state that it is "obvious" that you can't post your budget online but that doesn't seem obvious to me at all.  You can easily post a budget at a level that does not reveal specific salary detail.  Financial statements should be available easily and quickly online. 

2.  Representation.  If I am now financially supporting the union, I should have a say in what the union does and how it functions.  If you are worried about opening the organization to the unwashed masses, you can write a charter that protects fundamental issues (like fairshare) with supermajority votes.  But making people pay for the union and not giving them a vote is, to use hyperbole, un-American and autocratic.  

Thank you for your service and continued efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me first say that I appreciate the benefits that CGE has negotiated over the years.  As a first year, I can see from the history of the negotiations that being a grad student here would have been a very different financial experience without CGE involvement.  I am quite happy to consider my first couple of years&#8217; fairshare payments as compensation for for the free ride that students got on past CGE services (that benefit me today).  Also, organizations take money to run and CGE should be supported through OSU student funding, not by sponging off the national organization.</p>
<p>That being said, I, like others, am a little bit frustrated with how fairshare is being implemented.  This really revolves around two issues:</p>
<p>1.  Transparency of the budget.  In response to Noah&#8217;s post, you state that it is &#8220;obvious&#8221; that you can&#8217;t post your budget online but that doesn&#8217;t seem obvious to me at all.  You can easily post a budget at a level that does not reveal specific salary detail.  Financial statements should be available easily and quickly online. </p>
<p>2.  Representation.  If I am now financially supporting the union, I should have a say in what the union does and how it functions.  If you are worried about opening the organization to the unwashed masses, you can write a charter that protects fundamental issues (like fairshare) with supermajority votes.  But making people pay for the union and not giving them a vote is, to use hyperbole, un-American and autocratic.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your service and continued efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hess</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noah: we obviously can't post our budget online, but we are a transparent organization.  Anyone who wants to see the budget is welcome to stop into the office and ask Liz or Dennis for a copy.  In addition, CGE's finances are audited every year by a committee of member-volunteers.  In fact this year's audit committee just recently finished their work and will write a report that will be presented at the next general membership meeting.

CGE does have to pay for more than just fliers and staples, though.  All of the CGE officers are grad students who volunteer our time to the union.  However, Liz, or office manager, is a half-time employee whose salary we pay, and Dennis, or organizer, is a full time employee whose salary is currently paid in whole through a grant from AFT, or parent union (though, with fair-share in place, Dennis's salary will be CGE's responsibility).  These two employees do the work that busy grad student volunteers can't do and are necessary for the union's function.

CGE must also pay affiliation dues to our parent unions, AFT and AFT-OR.  These pay for a number of things, the most important of which are services of Brett, an AFT-OR field representative who serves as our lead negotiator in bargaining with the OSU administration.  These affiliation dues also fund other things, such as AFT and AFT-OR's political-affairs staff who lobby on our behalf (to eliminate student fees, for example) in the national and state legislatures.

Additional expenses CGE must pay include rent for office space, phone and internet bills, etc.

With fair-share in place, CGE will cease to receive grants from our parent unions and will be solely responsible for all of these expenses.  Like I said above, if you or anyone else is curious about CGE's budget, please stop into the office and have a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noah: we obviously can&#8217;t post our budget online, but we are a transparent organization.  Anyone who wants to see the budget is welcome to stop into the office and ask Liz or Dennis for a copy.  In addition, CGE&#8217;s finances are audited every year by a committee of member-volunteers.  In fact this year&#8217;s audit committee just recently finished their work and will write a report that will be presented at the next general membership meeting.</p>
<p>CGE does have to pay for more than just fliers and staples, though.  All of the CGE officers are grad students who volunteer our time to the union.  However, Liz, or office manager, is a half-time employee whose salary we pay, and Dennis, or organizer, is a full time employee whose salary is currently paid in whole through a grant from AFT, or parent union (though, with fair-share in place, Dennis&#8217;s salary will be CGE&#8217;s responsibility).  These two employees do the work that busy grad student volunteers can&#8217;t do and are necessary for the union&#8217;s function.</p>
<p>CGE must also pay affiliation dues to our parent unions, AFT and AFT-OR.  These pay for a number of things, the most important of which are services of Brett, an AFT-OR field representative who serves as our lead negotiator in bargaining with the OSU administration.  These affiliation dues also fund other things, such as AFT and AFT-OR&#8217;s political-affairs staff who lobby on our behalf (to eliminate student fees, for example) in the national and state legislatures.</p>
<p>Additional expenses CGE must pay include rent for office space, phone and internet bills, etc.</p>
<p>With fair-share in place, CGE will cease to receive grants from our parent unions and will be solely responsible for all of these expenses.  Like I said above, if you or anyone else is curious about CGE&#8217;s budget, please stop into the office and have a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my two cents.  My guess is that the thing that bothers people the most about fair-share is that the decision to pay is being taken out of their hands.  Instead of encouraging students to join the union with real incentive (other than just a chance to vote) the union has simply forced us to join (I realize fair-share does not equal membership).  For instance, if the union only bargained for union members then I bet nearly all of us would join in an instant.

What I still don't understand is where the money goes.  Is the CGE budget online somewhere that we can access?  Above people made it sound like the CGE team are volunteers, so if the money is not going to salaries then where is it going?  Fliers and staples?  Maybe people could swallow this more if they knew exactly where their money was going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my two cents.  My guess is that the thing that bothers people the most about fair-share is that the decision to pay is being taken out of their hands.  Instead of encouraging students to join the union with real incentive (other than just a chance to vote) the union has simply forced us to join (I realize fair-share does not equal membership).  For instance, if the union only bargained for union members then I bet nearly all of us would join in an instant.</p>
<p>What I still don&#8217;t understand is where the money goes.  Is the CGE budget online somewhere that we can access?  Above people made it sound like the CGE team are volunteers, so if the money is not going to salaries then where is it going?  Fliers and staples?  Maybe people could swallow this more if they knew exactly where their money was going.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Manore</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Manore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for holding out and doing a great job bargaining.  The increase in help with health insurance is very important as is help with fees.  Also great that we have fair-share now!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for holding out and doing a great job bargaining.  The increase in help with health insurance is very important as is help with fees.  Also great that we have fair-share now!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hess</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca: see &lt;a href="http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-169" rel="nofollow"&gt;one of my earlier comments&lt;/a&gt; for an example of how a grad employee making $1800 per term might fare under the fair-share agreement.  The analysis is fairly accurate (though it doesn't actually account for the fact that fair-share fees will be &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; than 2%), and it shows that, even after paying fair-share fees, you can still expect a financial gain from this contract.

What I think is most important though is, as Jay suggests above, to judge fair-share by the impact it will have in the long term.  If you consider together the economic gains that CGE has made over the years through collective bargaining (going from $0 to now $300 per term in fee relief, going from 0% to now 85% health care contribution during the academic year and 50% during the summer, establishing and raising the minimum salary, freezing departmental fees, etc.), the benefit of CGE's representation becomes obvious.  This is also not to mention the many non-economic gains CGE has made through bargaining to improve conditions for grad employees here at OSU.  Without CGE's representation, OSU simply would not treat its grads as well as it now does.  If you've seen how difficult negotiations are and how hard fought each of these gains is, this will be obvious to you.

Fair-share will provide a way for CGE to fund its future representation of OSU's grad employees without relying on the tens of thousands of dollars in grants it has received annually from its parent organization and which it could not have relied on much longer.  In other words, fair-share will make CGE financially self-sufficient, guaranteeing its ability to negotiate more fee relief, better health care, higher salaries, and better overall conditions of employment for OSU's grads in the future.  I understand that it may be difficult to accept having to pay now for something you didn't have to pay for before, but in the long run, what you pay now will be returned through the gains CGE makes in future negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca: see <a href="http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-169" rel="nofollow">one of my earlier comments</a> for an example of how a grad employee making $1800 per term might fare under the fair-share agreement.  The analysis is fairly accurate (though it doesn&#8217;t actually account for the fact that fair-share fees will be <em>less</em> than 2%), and it shows that, even after paying fair-share fees, you can still expect a financial gain from this contract.</p>
<p>What I think is most important though is, as Jay suggests above, to judge fair-share by the impact it will have in the long term.  If you consider together the economic gains that CGE has made over the years through collective bargaining (going from $0 to now $300 per term in fee relief, going from 0% to now 85% health care contribution during the academic year and 50% during the summer, establishing and raising the minimum salary, freezing departmental fees, etc.), the benefit of CGE&#8217;s representation becomes obvious.  This is also not to mention the many non-economic gains CGE has made through bargaining to improve conditions for grad employees here at OSU.  Without CGE&#8217;s representation, OSU simply would not treat its grads as well as it now does.  If you&#8217;ve seen how difficult negotiations are and how hard fought each of these gains is, this will be obvious to you.</p>
<p>Fair-share will provide a way for CGE to fund its future representation of OSU&#8217;s grad employees without relying on the tens of thousands of dollars in grants it has received annually from its parent organization and which it could not have relied on much longer.  In other words, fair-share will make CGE financially self-sufficient, guaranteeing its ability to negotiate more fee relief, better health care, higher salaries, and better overall conditions of employment for OSU&#8217;s grads in the future.  I understand that it may be difficult to accept having to pay now for something you didn&#8217;t have to pay for before, but in the long run, what you pay now will be returned through the gains CGE makes in future negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rob.

From what I'm reading, most of us are frustrated because it looks like we're LOSING money in this deal from our salary, which is already limited.  Can you give us the numbers to show us what we're GAINING?

Thanks,
Rebecca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rob.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;m reading, most of us are frustrated because it looks like we&#8217;re LOSING money in this deal from our salary, which is already limited.  Can you give us the numbers to show us what we&#8217;re GAINING?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Rebecca</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to comment on the fact that CGE didn't get more fee relief since that was the priority of the students.  This was not done to slight you!  If you have attended any of the bargaining sessions you know that the measly $50 more a quarter is representative not of the union failing you, but the administration.  This is a perfect example of why the union needs to ensure its existence through fair share.  We call this a "monumental" win because of the little bit the administration is willing to give, we got a decent amount.  Believe me, we would not be getting these benefits out of the goodness of their hearts.  
Also, this contract was agreed upon on the last day of bargaining, after that day negotiations go to mediation and in the end, they can simply refuse our demands.  I completely understand the objections to fair share, but this is not an extraordinary request since most schools with unions already have fair share.  I'm glad that some of you are well-off enough to refuse the benefits or risk losing the representation that come with the union, but I simply cannot afford it and I think that many would agree.  
If the union did not exist, we would continue to fall behind our peer institutions. Every year, fees and inflation go up and if it was solely up to the administration, our benefits and salaries would not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to comment on the fact that CGE didn&#8217;t get more fee relief since that was the priority of the students.  This was not done to slight you!  If you have attended any of the bargaining sessions you know that the measly $50 more a quarter is representative not of the union failing you, but the administration.  This is a perfect example of why the union needs to ensure its existence through fair share.  We call this a &#8220;monumental&#8221; win because of the little bit the administration is willing to give, we got a decent amount.  Believe me, we would not be getting these benefits out of the goodness of their hearts.<br />
Also, this contract was agreed upon on the last day of bargaining, after that day negotiations go to mediation and in the end, they can simply refuse our demands.  I completely understand the objections to fair share, but this is not an extraordinary request since most schools with unions already have fair share.  I&#8217;m glad that some of you are well-off enough to refuse the benefits or risk losing the representation that come with the union, but I simply cannot afford it and I think that many would agree.<br />
If the union did not exist, we would continue to fall behind our peer institutions. Every year, fees and inflation go up and if it was solely up to the administration, our benefits and salaries would not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hess</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca: your offer letter should tell you whether or not you're in the BU.  Also, see the general FAQ (&lt;a href="http://cge6069.org/faq#general" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://cge6069.org/faq#general&lt;/a&gt;) for more info on how BU status is usually determined.

Josh: assuming that the contract is ratified, the 3% raises will be effective retroactive to Oct. 1, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca: your offer letter should tell you whether or not you&#8217;re in the BU.  Also, see the general FAQ (<a href="http://cge6069.org/faq#general" rel="nofollow">http://cge6069.org/faq#general</a>) for more info on how BU status is usually determined.</p>
<p>Josh: assuming that the contract is ratified, the 3% raises will be effective retroactive to Oct. 1, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am disappointed that some members and other graduate students seem only to focus on fairshare here.  I encourage everyone to not simply view the contract and union with such narrow range.  Think pragmatically and long-term.  Please base your evaluations of this contract, the union, and its selfless volunteers on more than just one issue and your immediate reactions/realizations of the contract.  I realize that we are transient employees here (i.e., generally 2-5 year duration), so it is easy to forget all the hard won improvements the union has delivered to the graduate students in the past 9 years - healthcare, substantial fee relief, pay raises, and worker rights to name a few.  These did not exist before the CGE union. And generally do not exist at other peer university's that do not have organized labor representing them.  

Regarding fairshare: So now we have earned the chance to make this union a sustainable and much more relevant organization on this campus via fairshare; both of which will bolster grads abilities to fight even harder for current and future grad employees.  This fact is why management has always been opposed to fairshare.  Without fairshare they know the union will simply not be stable into the future and therefore nor will all the benefits it has had to deliver to the grads.  It is also my understanding that all other OUS employee unions have fairshare in place and that we are the outlier for not having it.    

I'll pony up my fairshare if it means guaranteeing that we keep our benefits and rights intact while I am here and for future generations of OSU grads.  The last thing I want to see is that I left behind a legacy of decisions that will undermine the the quality of OSU grads and therefore the quality and value of my OSU diploma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am disappointed that some members and other graduate students seem only to focus on fairshare here.  I encourage everyone to not simply view the contract and union with such narrow range.  Think pragmatically and long-term.  Please base your evaluations of this contract, the union, and its selfless volunteers on more than just one issue and your immediate reactions/realizations of the contract.  I realize that we are transient employees here (i.e., generally 2-5 year duration), so it is easy to forget all the hard won improvements the union has delivered to the graduate students in the past 9 years - healthcare, substantial fee relief, pay raises, and worker rights to name a few.  These did not exist before the CGE union. And generally do not exist at other peer university&#8217;s that do not have organized labor representing them.  </p>
<p>Regarding fairshare: So now we have earned the chance to make this union a sustainable and much more relevant organization on this campus via fairshare; both of which will bolster grads abilities to fight even harder for current and future grad employees.  This fact is why management has always been opposed to fairshare.  Without fairshare they know the union will simply not be stable into the future and therefore nor will all the benefits it has had to deliver to the grads.  It is also my understanding that all other OUS employee unions have fairshare in place and that we are the outlier for not having it.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pony up my fairshare if it means guaranteeing that we keep our benefits and rights intact while I am here and for future generations of OSU grads.  The last thing I want to see is that I left behind a legacy of decisions that will undermine the the quality of OSU grads and therefore the quality and value of my OSU diploma.</p>
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		<title>By: Sander</title>
		<link>http://cge6069.org/we_have_tentative_agreement#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>Sander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So as I understand it, those of us who are not members can still fight the "fair share" agreement if we get a petition equal to 30% of the graduate students. I would be more than willing to help with the petition if someone wants to spearhead it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So as I understand it, those of us who are not members can still fight the &#8220;fair share&#8221; agreement if we get a petition equal to 30% of the graduate students. I would be more than willing to help with the petition if someone wants to spearhead it.</p>
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